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Post by Andrew Godden on Dec 5, 2008 7:06:11 GMT -5
OK, so after much planning here it is. As the old military saying goes: "Time spent in planning is never wasted.". But now is judgment day. GAAR 2009 is officially launched and the web site is at the following address. bluegrassairlines.com/bgad/gaar_2009The web site contains most of the basic information for now. More details, particularly regarding detailed flight information, required downloads, flight dates and reporting dates, will be added shortly. If you have any questions or comments (or corrections) please let me know.
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Post by woodhick803 on Dec 11, 2008 15:38:17 GMT -5
I am thinking of signing on the dotted line for the 2009 GAAR but as a FSX flyer I am having trouble finding an aircraft that fits the time period rules. I am looking at the Carenado Cessna 172/182. Do either of these meet your requirements?
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Post by Allan_Lowson on Dec 11, 2008 20:16:19 GMT -5
As both the 172 and 182 first flew in the mid 50's, I would have thought you were OK with them. The T34 from Carenado would also qualify, if you have that and it has the instruments!
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Post by bhendrix123 on Dec 12, 2008 6:18:12 GMT -5
George, There are a couple on Simviation that you might like. Look in FSX /Props/page 33 and 34. The L-40 or the Beech model 18.
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Post by woodhick803 on Dec 12, 2008 6:31:08 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I'll check 'em out Billy.
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Post by vhduck on Dec 12, 2008 8:52:59 GMT -5
Well folk, I just heard about this on Teamspeak, and I'm in. I'll send the link to 4 or 5 mates and see if I can get them enthused as well.
BTW which planes in FS9 would comply with both the age and instrument requirements?
VHDUCK
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Post by woodhick803 on Dec 12, 2008 10:21:54 GMT -5
Guess I'm heading for the Land Down Under too. I'm checking out FSX scenery for OZ and just purchased a new (old) Carenado Cessna 182. I've posted a notice and link about this hysteria on a GVA forum too.
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Post by aiv1010 on Dec 12, 2008 11:14:36 GMT -5
Carenado made an old version of the 182? i thought they just made Q and RG models? both of which are newer than the 70's.
anyways i never done this before, and been looking for a good air rally to do. This sounds like it could be somehing fun. I will do it in either a T-34 or DC-3 haven't quite decided.
If the Q model is allowed then I will dust her off. I own one in real world its a '77. So someone post to confirm please.
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Post by woodhick803 on Dec 12, 2008 12:42:42 GMT -5
Well, it really is the "Q" model. I'm going on faith that it will be allowed. I'd hate to have wasted my $20.00 at Carenado. The problem for FSX is that there are not really a lot of things available without trying to cobble together a port over Which may or may not work all that well. I'm hoping (strongly) that the 182Q meets the letter, if not the spirit of the law here.
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Post by Allan_Lowson on Dec 12, 2008 15:13:46 GMT -5
As the 182Q has the fixed gear and I assume the same 230HPengine, the main non-cosmetic differences are a three bladed prop against a two bladed prop.
Perhaps Andrew can give a definitive view.
As alternatives within X, I believe that Milton Shupe's Spartan Executive has been ported over and apparently most of Jens Kristensen's aircraft have too. Perhaps they are acceptable options if they have suitable nav equipment.
Back on safer ground with fs2004, 'cos I'm a luddite, any of Jens K's prop aircraft and all of Milton Shupe's aircraft excepting the Dash 7 are acceptable and several have been used in past years.
Of the default aircraft in fs2004 the DH-88, DC-3 and Lockheed Vega fit the age bill; so does the J3 but it may be short on range and may be too slow for the distances invloved unless you have time on your hands.
The 172 and 182 default aircraft are later models, the 172 had a smaller engine in the '50s and the 182 is a 3-blade prop. On a personal note I would have thought they were close enough to the spirit intended, but a definitive view should clarify.
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Post by Andrew Godden on Dec 12, 2008 16:00:33 GMT -5
Guys,
Rule One (first and foremost) - Have fun!!!
The interpretation of the rule on eligible aircraft is "provided the model, e.g. 172, or first variant of the model, flew within the specified date period". Both the 172 and 182 fit this criteria. Subsequent model variations do not compromise the rules. Turbocharged engine variants are also eligible under the rules. The only time a model variant becomes ineligible is if it is fitted with a turboprop engine.
I personally ran into trouble with this in the GAAR 2007 event when I wanted to enter a Pilatus PC-6 "Porter". The "Porter" Fitted the eligible criteria, i.e. first flew in 1959 and with a piston engine. However, the model I had was the FSD International model (by the way, a great aircraft model) which is fitted with the now standard turboprop engine. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, a piston engined model for MSFS doesn't exist.
My thanks to Allan for providing some more than appropriate guidance.
Looking forward to seeing you in the event.
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Post by woodhick803 on Dec 13, 2008 7:29:12 GMT -5
Taking that as the official "okey dokey" I have to say I'm most definitely in. Thanks also to Allen and my old time buddy Billy H. for their input. I have to say that if I still had a working installation of FS-9, I would have had only one choice for the adventure--the MSA Beech D-18 (with VC)--my very favoritest sim, freeware of payware.
Luddite? Not quite yet Allen. That occurs when everyone else is flying FS-14 ;D
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Post by woodhick803 on Dec 13, 2008 7:29:44 GMT -5
Sorry for the misspelling Allan.
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Post by phrgflyer on Dec 15, 2008 5:59:24 GMT -5
Off the aircraft subject for a moment.
Time now is 1100 UTC on 15 Dec. Where is the Registration form?
Harry
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Post by Andrew Godden on Dec 15, 2008 18:46:07 GMT -5
Everyone,
My apologies. As Murphy's Law states, "If anything can go wrong, it will." - and it did. Nothing major, but enough to delay me opening Pilot Registration as stated.
Given time zone differences, work commitments (yes, unfortunately I still have to endure this), etc, I hope to have this rectified by later today my time (approx 1000 hrs UTC, 16 Dec 08).
Please understand, I am working deliver a quality event everyone can enjoy in the true tradition of the GAAR and this minor delay shouldn't detract from that.
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