Smudger
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Post by Smudger on Feb 12, 2011 5:07:17 GMT -5
Comrade Babs,
I think you have your confession. We would suggest a two week stay at the Butlins holiday camp in Skegness as suitable punishment.
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Post by Capt Zlogg on Feb 13, 2011 5:57:09 GMT -5
I think you have your confession. We would suggest a two week stay at the Butlins holiday camp in Skegness as suitable punishment. Comrade Blotch, That is a clear deception - the person is a nutcase and has too many navigational problems (using G-plan?). Imperialistic imposter!! Gulag camps are too good for him - we have an opening at the "Bright future" uranium works in Yoskar Ohla - the people there glow with pride about their achievements for the Great Motherland. Some corrective actions are planned already - he will be in good hands! cheers Capt Zlogg (GAAR 055) vp KGB Air Droppers (cows, elephants & rhinos) chief janitor Kreml bathrooms (West Wing)
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Post by rattler1 on Feb 13, 2011 17:12:33 GMT -5
I've not seen any mention of this, but has anyone looked up Lavarack on Google Earth? It seems the airfield has gone, buried under some industrial units. I checked the location using Gmap, which is usually spot on. The threshold of 09 is 19 19 13.86 S, 146 47 59.35 E. Landing there could ruin your whole day. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Ed Burke
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Post by Ed Burke on Feb 13, 2011 19:35:28 GMT -5
Greetings vibrating one, I have done some homework on the Lavarack Barracks setup and there is no mention of the strip being closed, in fact there is very little about the strip at all, however it seems that it is immediately north of your coordinates with the 09 threshold being at GEarth 19 19.124S 146 48.024E. It was never meant to be flash and is upholding the tradition.
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Post by Les Smith on Feb 13, 2011 20:51:36 GMT -5
LAVARICK (YLVK) does not exist in my ERSA (2005 ed.). Helipad only.
Plan-G (ver 2.0.3.486) shows YLVK as a new industrial estate with many buildings.
I diverted to and landed on Townsville (YBTL). Now, having admitted this I await the loss of my submitted time, which was 1.99 min over my estimated arrival time at YLVK. Sorry Andrew, but this leg needed more homework.
Les
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Post by Andrew Godden on Feb 13, 2011 22:55:56 GMT -5
LAVARICK (YLVK) does not exist in my ERSA (2005 ed.). Helipad only. Plan-G (ver 2.0.3.486) shows YLVK as a new industrial estate with many buildings. I diverted to and landed on Townsville (YBTL). Now, having admitted this I await the loss of my submitted time, which was 1.99 min over my estimated arrival time at YLVK. Sorry Andrew, but this leg needed more homework. Les No apology necessary Les, but thanks for the offer. The GAAR 2011 route uses available airports from a standard installation of FS9 and FSX supplemented with freeware add-ons, as necessary, to enhance the challenge and keep it interesting. Any similarity to the real world is PURELY coincidental as, after looking, I cannot find my copy of the ESRA in FS9 or FSX and it is not a MANDATORY requirement for the GAAR. As for the other 10 Australian participants, I don't know how many have a copy of the ESRA let alone the remaining 61 international participants. Lavarack Barracks is a major Army Base and home to the 3rd Brigade, a Light Infantry Brigade of the 1st Division. It is not a new industrial estate. There has been substantial redevelopment on the base throughout the last decade. Part of this included the relocation of the previous 162 Recce Sqn, which was located on Lavarack (YLVK). YLVK was also used for STOL practice by the previous 38 Sqn (RAAF) Caribou's, which were based at RAAF Base Garbutt, shared with Townsville (YBTL). Ignorance, a lack of research ("homework") and an inability to interpret satellite / aerial imagery can be acceptable as an excuse here, however. Surprisingly, redevelopment has overtaken the representation in MSFS (both FS9 and FSX), as it has at a major number of airports in the real world, I dare say. So, the research ("homework") was exceptionally thorough and consistent with the intent and design for the GAAR 2011, not the perceptions of any one individual and what the GAAR "should" be for them. However, the last time I checked, we were sitting at a desk on a computer and flying in a flight simulator - Ooops, have I forgotten to make that clear. Keep enjoying the flying and having fun because certainly I am. ;D
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Post by Les Smith on Feb 14, 2011 0:17:18 GMT -5
Apologies to Andrew and the Lavarack Barracks Army Base. No criticism intended of Andrew's planning. My problem with a lack of flight planning when using Plan-G. Just frustration at not finding an airport at YLVK in Plan-G. Enjoying the challenges of simulation and sometimes it does get too close to the real world.
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Post by Andrew Godden on Feb 14, 2011 0:45:54 GMT -5
The satellite image shows the real YLVK, the brown strip of dirt running east - west and parallel to and just south of the divided highway. When measured against the scale in the bottom left corner, it is approx 1900 ft long - surprisingly. So it still exists in the real world based on the satellite imagery dated "Copyright 2011". MSFS represents it a further 500 m south (approx) of its real world position on the dirt track running behind the group of rectangular shaped buildings also oriented roughly east - west. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) So, don't believe everything you see in MSFS unless you have accurately modified the scenery bgl files to represent the real location of airports. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Darn, are we still flying a computer ;D ![](http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3420/ylvk.jpg)
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Ed Burke
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Post by Ed Burke on Feb 14, 2011 2:54:36 GMT -5
I got my main clue from ExplorOz, an organisation for folk who like to wander the country in their RVs. On that site these same people like to post GPS coordinates for just about anything. Lo and behold there was the position of the Laverack strip and GE plotted it right in the middle of Andrew's satellite image.
A puzzle is what are Thiess doing on the site. Thiess are a large construction organisation, one of the larger ones in Oz. Perhaps they had a big job on in the barracks
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Jean
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Post by Jean on Feb 14, 2011 3:52:42 GMT -5
The satellite image shows the real YLVK, the brown strip of dirt running east - west and parallel to and just south of the divided highway. strange : Frenchie Gougol maps shows something slightly different : ;D ![](http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j48/jrde/gaar2011/lavarackfev-2011.jpg)
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Post by Andrew Godden on Feb 14, 2011 4:05:30 GMT -5
Just frustration at not finding an airport at YLVK in Plan-G. Les, After you installed Plan G and did the database build for your version of MSFS, it should have picked up YLVK. Maybe you need to redo the database build, or make sure it has identified the correct MSFS directory path (see under the File tab and Options, Locations.
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Ed Burke
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Post by Ed Burke on Feb 14, 2011 6:03:39 GMT -5
Jean, in true Wikileaks style you have blown the cover on our Concorde STOL conversion, I guess next will be our supersonic Airtruk. Well anyway I reckon the Nomad is secure. Ed
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Post by Les Smith on Feb 14, 2011 6:18:13 GMT -5
Yes I rebuilt the Plan-g database following the installation of the latest version. Lavarack (YLVK) certainly shows up with the airport marker, as shown at the bottom of the image attached to my flight plan track. And, Plan-g also shows the details of the runway: 9/27, 579m x 18m, grass. But, I expected something else and as I was running out of time gave up on an attempted landing with a DC-3 and headed for Townsville (YBTL) a short distance to the NW. Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/2599256/thumbnailer/04Zznw9PaNf5xL1cIAWf.jpg)
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Ed Burke
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Post by Ed Burke on Feb 14, 2011 8:09:05 GMT -5
I feel compelled to point out a very obvious fact. The GAAR is based on FS9 and FSX, period. If we introduce third party programs that lead us astray well tough titty.
Plotting the FS9 position for the Laverack strip on Google Earth indeed puts the strip among the buildings, however Google Earth positions are not perfect, in fact they can be very wide of the mark so there is nothing conclusive about that excercise. The point is that FS coords are definitive as to the position of the airstrip in the sim and are there for all to see.
I consider the work Andrew has done is spot on and he should not have to defend himself against others mistakes. Ed
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Post by rattler1 on Feb 14, 2011 11:30:31 GMT -5
Wow, I really did open up a can of worms on this one!. No criticism was intended; FS9 has the strip, and that's all that counts. I was merely doing a bit of flight planning, in the absence of real charts, and noticed the strip seemed to have gone. Head down, back in the box!
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