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Post by bgad050 on Jan 14, 2009 23:44:26 GMT -5
I agree with Outback.Why publish the target times.I personally would prefer not to know what the Target Time is.It would be more of a challenge without knowing what times you are supposed to get.
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Post by Ed Burke on Jan 15, 2009 1:35:00 GMT -5
I think you guys are onto a good thing. Too late for '09 but who knows what can happen for 2010.
Ed
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Post by Allan_Lowson on Jan 15, 2009 3:52:33 GMT -5
No-one said you had to look at your target times or scores until the end of March! If you did - and wish you hadn't, you could always qualify a different aircraft and then have the steely resolve to keep away from the time and score webpage until the end of the event. I suppose it depends on your point of view, if you're flying GA aircraft then target times are much more approximate than if you're flying the DC-3 on a scheduled or charter flight. Not a great fan of the secret squirrel approach to organisation of an event myself, I have seen that cause friction and distrust in the past in other places. Personally, like Andrew, I just give it one go at each leg. If that doesn't match the target (and two years ago I only got one 100 score for any leg with two entries) then too bad - onward and downwards to the next one.
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Post by Chris Ross on Jan 15, 2009 4:02:04 GMT -5
I do not agree with the idea of hiding the times
I do not want to compete in a hide and seek type event
Any real rally I have competed in the competition is against oneself,knowing the target time and trying to achieve it is very hard not knowing it is impossible
Variables in weather caused by slower and faster craft provide such variables
If you don't want to know your times don't read them and see how you go
Besides anyone who is used to using excel can replicate or come close to the times giving them an advantage
Chris
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Post by Quark on Jan 15, 2009 4:19:42 GMT -5
Anyone remember last year's forumstorm because the organisers didn't publish target times & were reticent about how they were calculated? It culminated in one of 'em storming off the forum in an electronic huff! I don't want to go back to that level of bad feeling in what is supposed to be a fun event. I agree with those posters that the idea in the event is to compete with oneself so I feel this year's format, with published leg times, is ideal. I fly each leg as close as possible to my test flight performance figures, and if I get close to the target time I celebrate with a bottle or three of the Wadsworths I'm carrying. If I don't, I commiserate with some of the comrade capt's finest and go on to the next leg. Strangely enough, my performances over the duration of a GAAR tend to deteriorate!
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Post by Dave Evans bgak015 on Jan 15, 2009 5:01:49 GMT -5
You have stumbled on the secret weapon of Capt. Zlogg!! all these GAAR his score improves while those who partakes of his wonderfull brew scores go down,he has build up a tollerance.slowoly drinking the compation under the panel ,even my spelling is going fast!
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Post by Capt Zlogg on Jan 15, 2009 10:57:01 GMT -5
You have stumbled on the secret weapon of Capt. Zlogg!! all these GAAR his score improves while those who partakes of his wonderfull brew scores go down,he has build up a tollerance.slowoly drinking the compation under the panel ,even my spelling is going fast! ;D ;D ;D Capt Zlogg GAAR013 VP Crunch Div CEO KGB Air Droppers (cow & elephant div) Chief Designer Ouchthathurtz toothpick works off-line (in kitchen)
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 15, 2009 17:35:03 GMT -5
Anyone remember last year's forum storm because the organisers didn't publish target times & were reticent about how they were calculated? It culminated in one of 'em storming off the forum in an electronic huff! I can assure everyone, there will be no "locking out" and banning of any further discussion of forum threads in relation to the GAAR here. As I said to Barry, "...we respect that everyone is entitled to an opinion..." and I would like to think that everyone feels safe in being able to express that opinion. It is only through this mechanism that future GAARs can continue to evolve and offer an event that is appealing and challenging to all. There are some great thoughts and ideas here for possible future consideration and maybe next year we could have different categories / divisions for the event, such as an IFR and VFR category. Anyway keep the comments flowing. The only thing reminiscent of a "Beer Belly Crying Club" here is if I'm out of red wine or "viagra beer" (a local Aussie brew marketed and sold as Victoria Bitter, VB).
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Post by Dave Evans bgak015 on Jan 15, 2009 20:37:43 GMT -5
How about a military GAAR tour of all Austrailia air bases,with any military aircraft from world war 1 to Korea.(the fumes from Capt. Zlogg brew ,I'm going down in flames,but smile'n)
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Post by pterodactyl (George) on Jan 15, 2009 22:22:18 GMT -5
I like that about the airbases it would give my old bird a nostalgic reunion.
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Post by Smithy on Jan 15, 2009 23:24:33 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rallying"....Rallies may be won by pure speed within the stages or alternatively by driving (flying) to a predetermined ideal journey time within the stages...." How does one compete against one's self if one has no target to compare one's time against? Hence the purpose of the test flight:- to establish an average speed and average time to then compare against estimates for the following legs. Dont worry, the target times are averages ~you would be a wizard to get each one perfect. Another good point is that you can compare with other pilots that are around your target time and ground speed, but not necessarily in the same aircraft. Every rally leg I have competed in over the years has been a one off flight. I start on the Start Date and fly each sector as close to the time/date and the right speed according to what I did in the test. That is why the test flight is so important. Its you and your plane versus the time and terrain
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 15, 2009 23:49:11 GMT -5
How about a military GAAR tour of all Austrailia air bases,with any military aircraft from world war 1 to Korea.(the fumes from Capt. Zlogg brew ,I'm going down in flames,but smile'n) I have done some initial research and now have a 13 page document listing all the RAAF bases, both past (from WWII) and present. There is also a wealth of material (history) available on most of the bases. Assuming Bill will have me back to co-ordinate the GAAR 2010, I might look into developing this idea further.
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Post by sentinel on Jan 16, 2009 2:23:58 GMT -5
Hey, I will be happy just to make it from one leg to the next but it is like the song "Time is on my side" Later, Ed B
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Post by Johan van Wyk on Jan 16, 2009 16:46:45 GMT -5
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Post by budsbud on Jan 16, 2009 20:37:22 GMT -5
Mr Andrew Godden. GAAR 2009 This is my first, but hopefully not the last of events of this nature and I would just like to complement you and all others who put these events together. I think it is a masterful job well done. As a newbie I can not voice any suggestions except to say you stated it correctly in my opinion. I did the test flight, entered my time. I am flying each leg as best that I can and will happily live with whatever the results are. I naturally hope to finish up in the top ten, but heck it is a whole lot of fun and I am learning from it. Love it! As for any rally for us old piton pumpers, count me in. if you will allow me. All the best Bud
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