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Post by dca1091 on Jan 6, 2009 15:37:33 GMT -5
Hi folks
I departed like all you guys from YPDN at 5:00 local with my DC-3
in full darkness . After 56 minutes I reached YOEN in FULL DARKNESS !!!
I couldn't land because nobody lit a fire at the runway, so I returned
to YPDN .... that's what I do in real life.
Flight Time : 113.60 ....
Round Trip YPDN - YPDN via YOEN
What did the other 100 pilots do ? Did you start 1:30 later ?
What to do ?
Klaus - DCA1091
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I checked the SR /SS in Australia and it says on the 6 th of Feb 2009 sunrise at YOEN is 7:03
I should have done that before TAKE-OFF ! ! ! !
Lat=-12°20'00" Long=+133°00'00"
TIMES OF SUNRISE AND SUNSET
(for ideal horizon & meteorological conditions)
Time zone: +10.00 hours
06/02/2009 Rise 0704 Set 1939
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Post by rattler1 on Jan 6, 2009 16:02:37 GMT -5
Take a look at the thread titled Sector 1. A lot of people, me included, are having problems. It's possibly a combination of your location and FS9. The solution seems to be to work backwards from a just dawn arrival. For me, this equates to 04.24 local, because my 05.00 setting gives dawn at Darwin and full day at YOEN.
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Post by Dave Evans bgak015 on Jan 6, 2009 16:45:55 GMT -5
I've flown it in three aircraft and it was awfull dark, the sun was a glow below the horison, I had to drop down,slow down,and turn the panel lights off(the room lights also) learned to due this sim-flying for Bluegrass Airlines bush division,also helps in a snow storm. Threw my time off some but I've learned to enjoy the challange and have fun and only fly them once or you can go crazy trying too adjust to get it perfect.
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 6, 2009 17:56:41 GMT -5
Klaus, et al,
Firstly apologies for this frustrating situation. It is not intentional as part of the event. This situation appears to be as a result of the many vagaries with MSFS, based on individual computer settings, regional settings, time zone issues in FS, etc. These issues did not present during beta testing and I have not been able to replicate them since.
The exact time of departure for Flight Leg 1 is not critical. The intent of Flight Leg 1 was a pre-dawn departure with sunrise en route to YOEN to provide sufficient light for landing. This should present with a dark twilight at YPDN with cloud cover, buildings and other scenery around YPDN visible. If necessary, make whatever adjustments required to the time of departure to correct this.
As Rattler1 said, this was covered in the posts in "Sector - 1".
I have summarised my responses from that post here. The solution is simply adjusting the departure time.
Enjoy.
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Post by robbie12 on Jan 7, 2009 1:57:03 GMT -5
???Andrew, can you let me know how the "times" shown on the GAAR2009Weather information and TimesWorksheet relate to the flight briefings? Leg 1 is shown in the worksheet as TOT 311730Z, middle of the night in the Territory! robbie12-Alex Robertson PS do we need the rest of the information re winds, clouds, etc.?  |
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 7, 2009 4:21:03 GMT -5
???Andrew, can you let me know how the "times" shown on the GAAR2009Weather information and TimesWorksheet relate to the flight briefings? Leg 1 is shown in the worksheet as TOT 311730Z, middle of the night in the Territory! robbie12-Alex Robertson PS do we need the rest of the information re winds, clouds, etc.? Robbie12, All the weather information is contained in the Weather download sheet. It is provided in METAR format, generally, but just in a table. There is a link to a METAR Help site which explains the format. The time for METARs is always recorded in Zulu Time, i.e. UTC (GMT). It merely represents the time of the weather report, which can be every three hours, six hours, etc depending on the weather station. Darwin is +9.5 hrs UTC, which makes the local time for the Flight Leg 1 weather report being 01, day of the month (Feb), 0300 hrs, local time. This would be the latest available report for your 0500 hr departure. All the information on winds, clouds and temperature are contained in the columns to the right of the Time column, again in METAR format. Using Flight Leg 5 as an example, the winds for Wind Layer 1 are from 293 degrees at 10 kts, gusting to 14 kts up to 6000 ft, etc. I hope this explains things. Have a look at the METAR Help link it's also pretty good with it's explanations. |
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Post by dca1091 on Jan 7, 2009 6:45:06 GMT -5
Andrew,
thanks for explanation
I'll fly leg1 again and start at 6:00
CU
Klaus
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Post by robbie12 on Jan 7, 2009 18:31:48 GMT -5
Thanks Andrew, wll use weather report as required, makes for interesting flying. Robbie
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Post by ukv1342 - Mike on Jan 9, 2009 3:36:42 GMT -5
Just thought I'd add my experiences - flying fs9 - flew out on designated runway (sun at back and very dark but clouds just visible (very red) - great!! Flew the departure procedure and flew east to be greeted by sun slowly rising - by the time I arrived at destination the visibility just good enough to see field for overflight then 12 mile procedural cct for landing - great - thanks to the planners - am now expecting the world for the rest of the legs  |
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 9, 2009 4:55:12 GMT -5
Just thought I'd add my experiences - flying fs9 - flew out on designated runway (sun at back and very dark but clouds just visible (very red) - great!! Flew the departure procedure and flew east to be greeted by sun slowly rising - by the time I arrived at destination the visibility just good enough to see field for overflight then 12 mile procedural cct for landing - great - thanks to the planners - am now expecting the world for the rest of the legs Mike, Thank you for the comments. The red northern Australia dawn was the reason for the early start. But you know what sailors say about a red sky in the morning. Suffice to say, the weather on some of the other Flight Legs is not as scenic. Enjoy. Andrew |
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Post by Capt Zlogg on Jan 9, 2009 7:59:39 GMT -5
Comrade Andrey,
workers of the Great Motherland will ensure a bright red dawn every day during the GAAR2009 event. They shall not be held responsible for any messing up of local OZ wx during day time by kapitalistny!
BTW: excellent info from Minox films, you want copies of family pics?
cheers,
Capt Zlogg GAAR 013
vp Crunch div
CEO KGB Air Droppers (cows & elephants div)
President of the Board of Berdaynsk Sewer & Chocolate Works # 4
off-line (as usual)
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Post by woodhick803 on Jan 15, 2009 7:43:39 GMT -5
Just finished the very first leg of my very first GAAR. What a treat!! I took off at my planned start minute after checking that my flight sim (FSX) had not tweaked up the hour incorrectly. I was treated to a full moon over Darwin Harbour and wonderful scenery (thanks to the Orbix AU series), the sea and all those wetlands and rivers were like silver below. I got to see a great sunrise about half way through the flight, and shot a so-so landing (my usual). First leg my last leg??? No way Mate!!
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