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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 1, 2011 15:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by Tom Goodrick on Jan 2, 2011 8:06:05 GMT -5
That site is all 2010. Where's the 2011 site?
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Post by Bill Hendrix (bgas046) on Jan 2, 2011 8:44:01 GMT -5
Tom, go to the Bluegrass home page and click on the GAAR 2011 LOGO and the 2011 website will come up.
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 2, 2011 14:37:30 GMT -5
Sorry Tom,
Fat fingers and an errant "0" instead of a "1". Fixed now.
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Post by Tom Goodrick on Jan 2, 2011 20:40:45 GMT -5
I looked over the airports, except for YLVK, all runways are long enough to accommodate many types of aircraft (over 3000 ft). YLVK has a runway only 1900 ft. Would you consider allowing partial credit for landing nearby at YBTL?
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 3, 2011 0:01:58 GMT -5
Tom,
Before I answer your question about using YBTL as an alternate, let me offer the following for further consideration.
Other than the navigation aspects and weather in the, soon to be released, Flight Situation files, Lavarack (YLVK) and Lady Elliot Island (YLTT) are the two challenging airfields, both at 1900 ft in length and chosen specifically for this. Lavarack is a little more forgiving due to the area beyond the defined runway, whereas Lady Elliot the runway is about the width of the island and not much more.
I remember back to the GAAR 2007 where Bill had us landing on the 1722 ft runway on Murray Island (YMUI) in the Torres Strait and that was possible in a Handley Page "Halifax" (weight and fuel factored in accordingly for the Flight Leg).
I have personally tested both of these airfields in "fair" weather settings with the DC-3 (with a high PAX and fuel load) and a range of other, higher performance aircraft using short field techniques for the respective test aircraft. Both landings and take-offs are achievable and even more so when weight and fuel load is taken into consideration for the Flight Leg and adjusted accordingly.
The weather in the Flight Situation files has also been designed to take into account the length of these airfields.
I plan to have the Flight Briefings (also important, particularly in relation to Lady Elliot Island), Flight Situation files and Weather Briefings available in the next few days and these will aid final decisions on aircraft selection and provide information required for detailed flight planning.
A long winded response to what could be considered a simple question, but the question of "partial credit" in the context presented has never arisen before, to my knowledge, at least not in the last five years.
Post Script Tom,
You have prompted me to further validate my flight testing to ensure it has been thorough enough in relation to the suitability of the selected airports / "dirt strips" (if that is the basis of your original question).
I chose the Convair CV-240 (a standard install from Tom Gibson and Greg Pepper's aircraft from the CalClassic web site), an aircraft that I am not overly familiar with, and at approx 85% of a MTOW of 42500, I was able to successfully land and take-off at Lady Elliot Island (YLTT) on the first attempt and with some margin to spare.
Now I create a dilemma for myself as to whether I want to fly the CV-240 in the GAAR.
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Post by Ed Burke on Jan 3, 2011 3:10:45 GMT -5
I put a half full Connie into and out of Lavarack with only a teenie bit of nail biting.
Ed
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 3, 2011 4:42:43 GMT -5
And I thought you were "spinnin' a yarn", "takin' the mickey" or just "plane" "having a lend of us", Ed.
Then I tried it for myself. Never would have believed it.
Now, does she have enough fuel for the trip to Chillagoe???
Puts the RAAFs 38 Sqn boy's and their Caribou's, who used YLVK to practice on, to shame.
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Post by Tom Goodrick on Jan 3, 2011 8:18:29 GMT -5
I tried the CV-240 out of LVK and flew into the hill. I had a half pax load and was a little too casual. I did not use the original FD but used my own tougher FD. The Official length for LLT in FS9 is 5900 but when I looked at it, I didn't believe it. I do remember flying a C-123 into LLT in a previous GAAR. Obviously there is no abort capability on these runways. I did not see the proper airspeed in the CV-240 when I had to lift off.
So, okay. Now we know the gloves are off!
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Post by ddavid on Jan 3, 2011 13:21:47 GMT -5
First post - so a Big Hi to you all from cold and wet Wales! Now then, I have registered for GAAR 2011 - well, sent the email, anyway - and have posted a heads-up on my 'home' forum Mutley's Hangar for the others to see if they'd like to join the fun. Turns out that we'd like - if it's agreeable with you - to try as a team. Like, all fly the same aircraft (most likely the DC-3) but take different Legs. Does this sound possible? Be great if we could! Many thanks... Cheers - Dai.
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Post by uhug on Jan 3, 2011 14:46:03 GMT -5
To Tom!
Take off CV-240
Stall Speed (clean): 100 knots
Stall Speed (full flaps): 90 knots
Don't forget: in case of engine problems.. dead engine, dead foot!
Urs
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 3, 2011 15:07:23 GMT -5
Tom, You have confused me with the reference to LLT and 5900' in FS9. I probably didn't help by incorrectly typing YLLT as the ICAO airport code for Lady Elliot Island in Flight Leg 4 on the "Flight Schedule" page even though I had the correct ICAO code of YLTT in Flight Leg 3 (error now fixed on the web page). I can't even find an LLT or YLLT in FS9.
So just to clarify, Lady Elliot Island (YLTT) (approx 46 nm NNE of Bundaberg) is the subject of Flight Legs 3 and 4 of the GAAR and requires the download freeware add-on scenery and is 1969' long according to the flight planner function in FS9.
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Post by Andrew Godden on Jan 3, 2011 15:33:18 GMT -5
David, Welcome to the GAAR and sunny, hot, Australia, except for Queensland and the devastating floods. Whilst generally an individual event, if PIREPS for individual Flight Legs were submitted with times flown by other individuals as part of a "team", I would be none the wiser, unless you told me. The aim of the GAAR is for people to have fun and if "making a team effort" of your entry achieves this, it works for me, with the following provisos: - the entry will be treated as a single entry from "Mutley's Hangar" (for want of a name);
- "target times" for each Flight Leg will be calculated on your submitted Test Flight time of 20.95 (unless revised before registration closure);
- there will be a single point of contact (you, I presume for now) who will be responsible for submitting PIREPS in accordance with the schedule; and
- don't tell anyone, they will think I am going soft and it will ruin my reputation ;D.
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Post by Jean on Jan 3, 2011 17:07:41 GMT -5
The GAAR 2011 web site is now available and registration for the event is now open. Félicitations ! and very happy to compete. This year, I'll try a lot of planes, a lot of registration times. A bientôt !
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Post by ddavid on Jan 4, 2011 4:09:02 GMT -5
Hi Andrew Many thanks for your welcome! We'll be happy with your provisos and will organise our team entry accordingly. This gives us something to look forward to in February, now! ;D Oh Yes and Happy New Year... Cheers - Dai.
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